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The second phase of my study began while I lived in Ann Arbor, MI in 1997. I saw a Paco de Lucia concert and it absolutely blew my mind. Previously I had only played blues, rock, and punk rock music. Yeah, ha ha...I was and still am a huge fan of old punk bands like the Dead Kennedys, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, the Clash, and early Police. I went out in search for a flamenco teacher and found one man, Jean Agopian. He was an Armenian man who grew up in France and later moved to Detroit, MI with his wife. He taught me various rajeos and scales and gave me the base technique that I needed to really begin playing flamenco. Shortly after meeting Jean, I joined a small dance company in Michigan led by a woman named Maria del Carmen. I first played for dance with her company. I didn’t know what I was doing, but they helped me understand that learning dance accompaniment would be a huge step towards understanding flamenco. At a low moment for me in Michigan, a major step in my development presented itself. A guitar player named Mark Ferguson showed up to teach Spanish at the University of Michigan. He had lived in Jerez various times and also worked and lived in New Mexico and been part of the whole flamenco scene out there. He playing was up to date and he brought a knowledge of cante accompaniment that I had never been witness to in Ohio or Michigan. We became great friends and for two years we worked together exploring flamenco guitar and cante. It is in Michigan where I realized that in order to accompany well I was going to have to learn how to sing....at least a little. Okay, phase 3 is of course, Spain! I have been so fortunate to have studied with true masters in Andalucía. When I say masters, I don’t mean “guitar heads,” nor solo players. I mean masters of flamenco, people who understand its true essence, its reason for being, and can transmit that to you. When you are in the presence of someone like this, you don’t feel intimidated by them (well, a little bit of course). They transmit their knowledge through making you feel at home, natural, comfortable. As you have coffee with them, the way they move and the humility with which they speak to you makes you understand that flamenco is much bigger, much more noble, and much more loving than most of us have ever thought. It is certainly much more important than a chord on a guitar, fast footwork, or raging vocal scales. It is a history, a way of being, a cultural expression, and an emotional journey through what it is to be human. |
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first person I met like this was David Serva. I went to Spain and began
studying guitar with him in Seville. I couldn't take that many classes
because I was ridiculously broke, but he presented to me what the essence
of pure flamenco could offer. He is a very patient teacher and has lived
some of the best moments in flamenco. David suggested that I study cante
and cante accompaniment with Ines Bacan. As an anecdote, he also introduced
me to my girlfriend and companera Cihtli Ocampo. I guess David has been
almost like the man navigating my destiny. I don’t know if he
even realizes it! Ines was in Seville giving classes and I jumped at
the opportunity. When I met Ines, everything changed for me. She was
the most humble, soft- spoken woman I had ever met. I remember that
I was amazed by how she could be such an incredible artist and be so
“normal” at the same time. In an instant all the visions
of long hair, gold wearing, mysteriously dangerous flamenco artists
disappeared and there was this sweet, simple woman telling me to come
to Lebrija and meet her sons who were my age. I could go on for pages
about my relationship with the Bacans and what that has done for my
playing and my life, but I think you probably get the point. From the
great cantaor Bastian Bacan (father of Pedro Bacan) to my best friend
Juan Bacan (brother of Ines and Pedro) and Ines’s sons Jose and
Pedro (en gloria este) I have learned more about gypsy flamenco than
I ever would have dreamed.
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Now comes Antonio Moya, my foremost guitar maestro. My tutelage under Antonio has been the most rewarding period of study for me ever. He is one of the best men I have ever met and has always been concerned for my well being. I think he may have loved me like a nephew before I loved him. It sounds strange, but that is what Antonio is like. He has a huge heart and desire to transmit the art that he loves so much. When he sees someone with a true desire to learn, he identifies with them and cries with them. I have never seen anything like it. With Antonio I have learned what true accompaniment is all about. I have learned to recognize nuances within cante that I didn’t even know existed. Antonio takes these nuances and works to bring them out for the public to hear. His passion for music is absolutely unrivaled and his devotion to supporting the singers from the pueblos (small towns of Andalucía) deserves high recognition. |
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In Seville, I have learned from so many people and they have all been maestros to me. I consider every singer that has repeated a verse to me, every guitarist that has showed me a new chord or a new rhythm, and every bar owner that has invited me to a drink as I played as a teacher of mine. They have all taught me how the system works, what the etiquette is, and what it will take to keep learning. I would like to name one more person that has been very influential as a teacher to me in Seville. He is Tito Juan del Gastor, a true master and teacher. His guitar is known throughout the world, but what many don’t know is how well he sings and dances. Juan loves to spend time with the young aficionados and teach them all how to sing and dance. He speaks of his youth in Moron as a time when everyone sang and danced gypsy, when people were happy with a glass of wine and a rolled cigarette. He has often told me that I should have been born back then because that is where my heart lies. The spirit of the golden age of flamenco lies within Juan and I will never forget all the nights I have spent with him, Luis Pena, Javier Heredia, and El Pola recreating in our own way what those old nights must have been like. ~
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